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	<title>Comments on: 6 myths about microfinance charity that donors can do without</title>
	<link>http://blog.givewell.org/2009/10/23/6-myths-about-microfinance-charity-that-donors-can-do-without/</link>
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		<title>by: kevin jones</title>
		<link>http://blog.givewell.org/2009/10/23/6-myths-about-microfinance-charity-that-donors-can-do-without/#comment-258980</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>disappointing scarcity approach; giving is better than investing, and give to our charities. destructive of "competition" when it could be additiv, reductionist old style western silver bullet, my silver bullet approach. flawed and deficient in its foundational thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>disappointing scarcity approach; giving is better than investing, and give to our charities. destructive of &#8220;competition&#8221; when it could be additiv, reductionist old style western silver bullet, my silver bullet approach. flawed and deficient in its foundational thinking.
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		<title>by: John Hunter</title>
		<link>http://blog.givewell.org/2009/10/23/6-myths-about-microfinance-charity-that-donors-can-do-without/#comment-257225</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2011 23:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks I will.  I have been a donor to Trickle Up for years (before micro-lending was a big thing).  They largely engaged in micro-grants to the exact type of people micro-lending targets.  Instead of being focused on lending they gave people a hand to let them build a business.  They also focus on training (as do the better micro-lending efforts)

  http://trickleup.org/solution/our-approach.cfm

I actually didn't realize their focus on micro-saving until now.  "Less than 15% of participants had cash, or in-kind savings before joining their savings and loans groups.  After Trickle Up, over 90% of participants have cash savings."

Trickle Up has in fact been my favorite charity for over a decade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks I will.  I have been a donor to Trickle Up for years (before micro-lending was a big thing).  They largely engaged in micro-grants to the exact type of people micro-lending targets.  Instead of being focused on lending they gave people a hand to let them build a business.  They also focus on training (as do the better micro-lending efforts)</p>
<p>  <a href="http://trickleup.org/solution/our-approach.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://trickleup.org/solution/our-approach.cfm</a></p>
<p>I actually didn&#8217;t realize their focus on micro-saving until now.  &#8220;Less than 15% of participants had cash, or in-kind savings before joining their savings and loans groups.  After Trickle Up, over 90% of participants have cash savings.&#8221;</p>
<p>Trickle Up has in fact been my favorite charity for over a decade.
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		<title>by: Paul Rippey</title>
		<link>http://blog.givewell.org/2009/10/23/6-myths-about-microfinance-charity-that-donors-can-do-without/#comment-256649</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 05:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks for this good piece. 

The micro savings movement - or the &lt;i&gt;Savings Group&lt;/i&gt; movement - has a lot of former micro-credit folks involved and committed, including me. I had the rare opportunity to start and run &lt;b&gt;two&lt;/b&gt; MFIs - in Guinea and Morocco - and then got burnt out, realizing I didn't want to spend the rest of my life getting poor people in debt, forever, at high interest rates. Then I discovered savings groups, in the village, independent and run by the members, with no money being sucked out to support headquarters costs, and I thought - as many of us did -  that we should have been doing this all along. 

A group of us have a site - &lt;a href="http://savings-revolution.org" rel="nofollow"&gt;(Savings Revolution)&lt;/a&gt; - dedicated to the creative discussion of savings groups. We'd love for you to check it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this good piece. </p>
<p>The micro savings movement - or the <i>Savings Group</i> movement - has a lot of former micro-credit folks involved and committed, including me. I had the rare opportunity to start and run <b>two</b> MFIs - in Guinea and Morocco - and then got burnt out, realizing I didn&#8217;t want to spend the rest of my life getting poor people in debt, forever, at high interest rates. Then I discovered savings groups, in the village, independent and run by the members, with no money being sucked out to support headquarters costs, and I thought - as many of us did -  that we should have been doing this all along. </p>
<p>A group of us have a site - <a href="http://savings-revolution.org" rel="nofollow">(Savings Revolution)</a> - dedicated to the creative discussion of savings groups. We&#8217;d love for you to check it out.
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		<title>by: John Hunter</title>
		<link>http://blog.givewell.org/2009/10/23/6-myths-about-microfinance-charity-that-donors-can-do-without/#comment-256340</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 09:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I like the idea of micro-finance and I agree we need more study of what actually happens.  On "myth" 2 I think you miss out the real benefit for kiva personal matching.  That is that it is a good psychology gimmick for the lenders.  Psychology is a natural outgrown of our humanity.  While this point doesn't make micro-finance more (or less) effective it does aid in drawing the interest of potential lenders.  If micro-finance is beneficial then this is a good thing.

Granted your point that it is not useful somehow useful from some merit of the loan perspective is correct (and it is a fiction in reality since the loans are made and then funded).  But it is a useful fiction I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea of micro-finance and I agree we need more study of what actually happens.  On &#8220;myth&#8221; 2 I think you miss out the real benefit for kiva personal matching.  That is that it is a good psychology gimmick for the lenders.  Psychology is a natural outgrown of our humanity.  While this point doesn&#8217;t make micro-finance more (or less) effective it does aid in drawing the interest of potential lenders.  If micro-finance is beneficial then this is a good thing.</p>
<p>Granted your point that it is not useful somehow useful from some merit of the loan perspective is correct (and it is a fiction in reality since the loans are made and then funded).  But it is a useful fiction I think.
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		<title>by: Stacy</title>
		<link>http://blog.givewell.org/2009/10/23/6-myths-about-microfinance-charity-that-donors-can-do-without/#comment-256147</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 20:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I think John's point in mentioning Grameen was not a request to donate to it, but to offer an example of a highly successful MFI (they no longer accept contributions because they are fully funded by participant savings, just like most other banks) that also incorporates health care issues into their plans. Because of Yanus'/Grameen's role as a ground breaker in this field, the org has been consultant to many other MFIs. If you're looking for recommendations on which are best suited for helping individuals, I would contact Grameen/Yanus directly and ask which MFIs around the world they think are well suited for success. Then, you can either donate to that org directly or even through an intermediary like KIVA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think John&#8217;s point in mentioning Grameen was not a request to donate to it, but to offer an example of a highly successful MFI (they no longer accept contributions because they are fully funded by participant savings, just like most other banks) that also incorporates health care issues into their plans. Because of Yanus&#8217;/Grameen&#8217;s role as a ground breaker in this field, the org has been consultant to many other MFIs. If you&#8217;re looking for recommendations on which are best suited for helping individuals, I would contact Grameen/Yanus directly and ask which MFIs around the world they think are well suited for success. Then, you can either donate to that org directly or even through an intermediary like KIVA.
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		<title>by: Holden</title>
		<link>http://blog.givewell.org/2009/10/23/6-myths-about-microfinance-charity-that-donors-can-do-without/#comment-255331</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 15:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Niece - we would say no, based on the reasons outlined in the above post. We would recommend instead giving to our &lt;a href="http://www.givewell.org/charities/top-charities" rel="nofollow"&gt;top charities&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Niece - we would say no, based on the reasons outlined in the above post. We would recommend instead giving to our <a href="http://www.givewell.org/charities/top-charities" rel="nofollow">top charities</a>.
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		<title>by: Niece</title>
		<link>http://blog.givewell.org/2009/10/23/6-myths-about-microfinance-charity-that-donors-can-do-without/#comment-253136</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 13:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm not in a financial position where I have a lot of money to donate. Am I safe to assume that I am doing more good using an organisation like Kiva, where I can lend my money again and again, than not donating at all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not in a financial position where I have a lot of money to donate. Am I safe to assume that I am doing more good using an organisation like Kiva, where I can lend my money again and again, than not donating at all?
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		<title>by: Yaqoob Khan</title>
		<link>http://blog.givewell.org/2009/10/23/6-myths-about-microfinance-charity-that-donors-can-do-without/#comment-206925</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2011 17:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks for this post these are great talking points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this post these are great talking points.
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		<title>by: Holden</title>
		<link>http://blog.givewell.org/2009/10/23/6-myths-about-microfinance-charity-that-donors-can-do-without/#comment-198929</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>If you're just looking to do as much good as possible, we recommend our &lt;a href="http://www.givewell.org/research-summary" rel="nofollow"&gt;top-rated charities&lt;/a&gt;. You can also check out our &lt;a href="http://www.givewell.org/international/economic-empowerment/microfinance" rel="nofollow"&gt;recommended microfinance organizations&lt;/a&gt; if you'd like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re just looking to do as much good as possible, we recommend our <a href="http://www.givewell.org/research-summary" rel="nofollow">top-rated charities</a>. You can also check out our <a href="http://www.givewell.org/international/economic-empowerment/microfinance" rel="nofollow">recommended microfinance organizations</a> if you&#8217;d like.
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		<title>by: dweb</title>
		<link>http://blog.givewell.org/2009/10/23/6-myths-about-microfinance-charity-that-donors-can-do-without/#comment-198521</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>URGENT: I just came across this blog as I am preparing a framework to deploy 25,000 usd of cash through microfinance in urban compounds in sub-saharan africa. The organization is not an mfi but rather a nationally run ngo that has had relationships with the beneficiaries for 20 years. My question is: If not microfinance, what would be the best way to deploy these funds?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>URGENT: I just came across this blog as I am preparing a framework to deploy 25,000 usd of cash through microfinance in urban compounds in sub-saharan africa. The organization is not an mfi but rather a nationally run ngo that has had relationships with the beneficiaries for 20 years. My question is: If not microfinance, what would be the best way to deploy these funds?
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