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	<link>http://blog.givewell.org/2009/11/09/if-microsavings-is-more-needed-why-does-microcredit-get-more-attention/</link>
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		<title>by: Holden</title>
		<link>http://blog.givewell.org/2009/11/09/if-microsavings-is-more-needed-why-does-microcredit-get-more-attention/#comment-87770</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>John, thanks for the very interesting comment.  It's particularly interesting to me that the need for savings was "assumed away" for many years, though now people seem to agree that the need for it is clear.  To me it points to a fairly basic failure to understand the setting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, thanks for the very interesting comment.  It&#8217;s particularly interesting to me that the need for savings was &#8220;assumed away&#8221; for many years, though now people seem to agree that the need for it is clear.  To me it points to a fairly basic failure to understand the setting.
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		<title>by: John</title>
		<link>http://blog.givewell.org/2009/11/09/if-microsavings-is-more-needed-why-does-microcredit-get-more-attention/#comment-86656</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.givewell.org/2009/11/09/if-microsavings-is-more-needed-why-does-microcredit-get-more-attention/#comment-86656</guid>
					<description>I've worked for two microfinance networks, including one particularly known for microsavings.

The biggest barriers are definitely regulatory - and for good reason. It requires a much more sophisticated institution to manage savings, since they involve semi-random cash flows, as opposed to credit, which can be forecast more easily. Add that to the MIS, internal controls and staff issues, and your typical NGO couldn't realistically offer savings even if it wanted to.

Credit got much of the initial focus b/c the assumption was that the poor are too poor to save. Which is BS, because the biggest problem most poor households have in the developing world is that their income is highly irregular. Savings helps these households smooth income over the course of the year. Credit does this as well, but they are paying effective interest rates of 50-90% for the privilege of doing so. Unfortunately, subsidized loans to MFIs have crowded out savings. The biggest benefit to MFIs for savings is the reduced cost of funds - interest rates on savings may be 10-20% lower than what they would pay for commercial debt.

The existence of informal savings networks (ROSCAs, tontines) around much of the wrold indicates a huge pent up demand for savings. The rule of thumb we used was always that there were 6-8 savers for every borrower. The key is to identify institutions (cooperatives, progressive banks, more mature MFIs) and technologies (mobile money, ATMs) that facilitate convenient savings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve worked for two microfinance networks, including one particularly known for microsavings.</p>
<p>The biggest barriers are definitely regulatory - and for good reason. It requires a much more sophisticated institution to manage savings, since they involve semi-random cash flows, as opposed to credit, which can be forecast more easily. Add that to the MIS, internal controls and staff issues, and your typical NGO couldn&#8217;t realistically offer savings even if it wanted to.</p>
<p>Credit got much of the initial focus b/c the assumption was that the poor are too poor to save. Which is BS, because the biggest problem most poor households have in the developing world is that their income is highly irregular. Savings helps these households smooth income over the course of the year. Credit does this as well, but they are paying effective interest rates of 50-90% for the privilege of doing so. Unfortunately, subsidized loans to MFIs have crowded out savings. The biggest benefit to MFIs for savings is the reduced cost of funds - interest rates on savings may be 10-20% lower than what they would pay for commercial debt.</p>
<p>The existence of informal savings networks (ROSCAs, tontines) around much of the wrold indicates a huge pent up demand for savings. The rule of thumb we used was always that there were 6-8 savers for every borrower. The key is to identify institutions (cooperatives, progressive banks, more mature MFIs) and technologies (mobile money, ATMs) that facilitate convenient savings.
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		<title>by: Holden</title>
		<link>http://blog.givewell.org/2009/11/09/if-microsavings-is-more-needed-why-does-microcredit-get-more-attention/#comment-86163</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>David, thanks for the link.

We are a little wary of swinging too far in this direction and promoting microsavings as a panacea, as this article seems to do to some extent.  The evidence for savings's impact is also limited, and &lt;a href="http://blog.givewell.org/?p=452" rel="nofollow"&gt;there are still critical questions that should be asked&lt;/a&gt; of a given savings program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, thanks for the link.</p>
<p>We are a little wary of swinging too far in this direction and promoting microsavings as a panacea, as this article seems to do to some extent.  The evidence for savings&#8217;s impact is also limited, and <a href="http://blog.givewell.org/?p=452" rel="nofollow">there are still critical questions that should be asked</a> of a given savings program.
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		<title>by: David Vosburg</title>
		<link>http://blog.givewell.org/2009/11/09/if-microsavings-is-more-needed-why-does-microcredit-get-more-attention/#comment-85864</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.givewell.org/2009/11/09/if-microsavings-is-more-needed-why-does-microcredit-get-more-attention/#comment-85864</guid>
					<description>Here is a good blog entry on this topic: http://www.seattlemicrofinance.org/microfinances-circular-firing-squad/2009/11/10</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a good blog entry on this topic: <a href="http://www.seattlemicrofinance.org/microfinances-circular-firing-squad/2009/11/10" rel="nofollow">http://www.seattlemicrofinance.org/microfinances-circular-firing-squad/2009/11/10</a>
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		<title>by: Holden</title>
		<link>http://blog.givewell.org/2009/11/09/if-microsavings-is-more-needed-why-does-microcredit-get-more-attention/#comment-85741</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.givewell.org/2009/11/09/if-microsavings-is-more-needed-why-does-microcredit-get-more-attention/#comment-85741</guid>
					<description>I think both David R/Basti and David V raise good points.  The factors you're citing could by themselves explain the MixMarket figures I cited.

It's still worth keeping in mind that if savings institutions are both rare and more needed, the focus of microfinance charities ought to be on expanding savings.  The focus of their marketing clearly isn't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think both David R/Basti and David V raise good points.  The factors you&#8217;re citing could by themselves explain the MixMarket figures I cited.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s still worth keeping in mind that if savings institutions are both rare and more needed, the focus of microfinance charities ought to be on expanding savings.  The focus of their marketing clearly isn&#8217;t.
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		<title>by: David Vosburg</title>
		<link>http://blog.givewell.org/2009/11/09/if-microsavings-is-more-needed-why-does-microcredit-get-more-attention/#comment-85691</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I would have to disagree with David &#38; Basti.

MFIs do not want to provide savings products for many different reasons, but most of all because it is less profitable. The ROI on savings is far lower than that for MFIs, and so MFIs avoid providing savings alternatives. (Compartamos, for example, one of the financially most successful MFIs - think $467M IPO - has had savings pilots for years they have not launched)

The real challenge behind this, as Holden correctly points out, is that the priorities of the 'financial services for the poor' sector is skewed too far toward monetary return on investment and not enough toward social returns on investment. This creates entities that look good financially but are not delivering as much social return.

I am also in the process of reading Portfolios of the Poor and studies like these clearly articulate the needs of the poor, and savings is a need that is not receiving enough attention. This is partially because of regulatory hurdles, which are quickly being changed here in Africa, but it is mostly because of skewed priorities: financial over social returns. 

Cell phone technology promises to reduce the costs of servicing even the poorest and least-densely populated regions to the point where it will become a more viable social enterprise with better financial ROI. In the meantime, however, I think we all need to re-adjust our priorities and focus more on Social returns. With additional funding and focus, savings can and will be realized for the bottom billions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have to disagree with David &amp; Basti.</p>
<p>MFIs do not want to provide savings products for many different reasons, but most of all because it is less profitable. The ROI on savings is far lower than that for MFIs, and so MFIs avoid providing savings alternatives. (Compartamos, for example, one of the financially most successful MFIs - think $467M IPO - has had savings pilots for years they have not launched)</p>
<p>The real challenge behind this, as Holden correctly points out, is that the priorities of the &#8216;financial services for the poor&#8217; sector is skewed too far toward monetary return on investment and not enough toward social returns on investment. This creates entities that look good financially but are not delivering as much social return.</p>
<p>I am also in the process of reading Portfolios of the Poor and studies like these clearly articulate the needs of the poor, and savings is a need that is not receiving enough attention. This is partially because of regulatory hurdles, which are quickly being changed here in Africa, but it is mostly because of skewed priorities: financial over social returns. </p>
<p>Cell phone technology promises to reduce the costs of servicing even the poorest and least-densely populated regions to the point where it will become a more viable social enterprise with better financial ROI. In the meantime, however, I think we all need to re-adjust our priorities and focus more on Social returns. With additional funding and focus, savings can and will be realized for the bottom billions.
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		<title>by: Basti Schwiecker</title>
		<link>http://blog.givewell.org/2009/11/09/if-microsavings-is-more-needed-why-does-microcredit-get-more-attention/#comment-85575</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I have to agree with David. I think most MFIs would love to take savings but are not allowed (especially if they are running as a ngo and not as a regulated bank). Just compare how hard it is in the USA to start a ngo with starting a bank. Same in most countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with David. I think most MFIs would love to take savings but are not allowed (especially if they are running as a ngo and not as a regulated bank). Just compare how hard it is in the USA to start a ngo with starting a bank. Same in most countries.
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		<title>by: David Roodman</title>
		<link>http://blog.givewell.org/2009/11/09/if-microsavings-is-more-needed-why-does-microcredit-get-more-attention/#comment-85565</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Holden, I think it is more than the best donor/best story thing? Would you trust a start-up NGO with your savings? Probably not. Would you particularly mind taking a loan from a start-up NGO? Probably not so much. The regulatory barriers to taking savings (and selling insurance) ought to be and generally are higher than for making loans. Mind you, I still want to see those barriers overcome more often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holden, I think it is more than the best donor/best story thing? Would you trust a start-up NGO with your savings? Probably not. Would you particularly mind taking a loan from a start-up NGO? Probably not so much. The regulatory barriers to taking savings (and selling insurance) ought to be and generally are higher than for making loans. Mind you, I still want to see those barriers overcome more often.
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