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		<title>By: Holden</title>
		<link>http://blog.givewell.org/2012/06/22/objections-and-concerns-about-our-new-direction/comment-page-1/#comment-301654</link>
		<dc:creator>Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 13:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Peter, thanks for the comment. We are indeed beginning to investigate major organizations at the project level (the example of UNICEF is given above). Investigating specific projects means being open to restricted funding - this is one of the two prongs of what this post means when it refers to our &quot;new direction.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, thanks for the comment. We are indeed beginning to investigate major organizations at the project level (the example of UNICEF is given above). Investigating specific projects means being open to restricted funding &#8211; this is one of the two prongs of what this post means when it refers to our &#8220;new direction.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Singer</title>
		<link>http://blog.givewell.org/2012/06/22/objections-and-concerns-about-our-new-direction/comment-page-1/#comment-301556</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Singer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 01:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m concerned about this remark:
&quot; especially because we feel we are reaching the limits (for the moment) of our old approach. (We went through a large number of charities in 2011 and are skeptical that we will find new contenders for our top charities, using that basic methodology, anytime in the near future.)&quot;
This sounds like you are turning away from what you have established your reputation by doing.  It&#039;s been a big gap in your work, in my view, that you have not been able to evaluate the major aid organizations.  I understand the difficulties, but I thought you were now starting to look at specific projects within major charities, rather than than trying to evaluate the entire organization. That sounds like something very worthwhile, and to do it properly would require considerable time and effort.  I hope you&#039;ll keep doing it, and expand your efforts in that direction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m concerned about this remark:<br />
&#8221; especially because we feel we are reaching the limits (for the moment) of our old approach. (We went through a large number of charities in 2011 and are skeptical that we will find new contenders for our top charities, using that basic methodology, anytime in the near future.)&#8221;<br />
This sounds like you are turning away from what you have established your reputation by doing.  It&#8217;s been a big gap in your work, in my view, that you have not been able to evaluate the major aid organizations.  I understand the difficulties, but I thought you were now starting to look at specific projects within major charities, rather than than trying to evaluate the entire organization. That sounds like something very worthwhile, and to do it properly would require considerable time and effort.  I hope you&#8217;ll keep doing it, and expand your efforts in that direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Holden</title>
		<link>http://blog.givewell.org/2012/06/22/objections-and-concerns-about-our-new-direction/comment-page-1/#comment-297537</link>
		<dc:creator>Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 01:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the thoughts, all.

Brenton: we recognize that there&#039;s a tradeoff when it comes to the blog tone. Given what GiveWell is today, we think it&#039;s important to emphasize credibility above entertainment/opportunities to get attention (some discussion of this &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.givewell.org/2012/02/21/givewells-plan-for-2012-top-level-priorities/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;our February post on high-level priorities&lt;/a&gt;).

Dean: we are very early in the process of the shift described and do not yet plan any specific recommendations of restricted funding. So when you ask  whether there are any online discussions of the issue, the answer is that this post is the potential beginning of such a discussion (it isn&#039;t an announcement of a finalized shift). We&#039;ve laid out the reasons we think the benefits outweigh the costs and would be happy to consider responses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the thoughts, all.</p>
<p>Brenton: we recognize that there&#8217;s a tradeoff when it comes to the blog tone. Given what GiveWell is today, we think it&#8217;s important to emphasize credibility above entertainment/opportunities to get attention (some discussion of this <a href="http://blog.givewell.org/2012/02/21/givewells-plan-for-2012-top-level-priorities/" rel="nofollow">our February post on high-level priorities</a>).</p>
<p>Dean: we are very early in the process of the shift described and do not yet plan any specific recommendations of restricted funding. So when you ask  whether there are any online discussions of the issue, the answer is that this post is the potential beginning of such a discussion (it isn&#8217;t an announcement of a finalized shift). We&#8217;ve laid out the reasons we think the benefits outweigh the costs and would be happy to consider responses.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Echenberg</title>
		<link>http://blog.givewell.org/2012/06/22/objections-and-concerns-about-our-new-direction/comment-page-1/#comment-296645</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Echenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 20:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;we’re considering restricted funding for specific projects, not just recommendations of particular charities....When discussing these activities, we’ve lately been encountering a couple of different objections and concerns; &quot;


Givewell funding projects is a very different kind of work than what you are known for and what  is currently described on your webpage.  It really is a different direction...

Givewell&#039;s unique advantage in advising donors, that there is not the chance of, or even the appearance of, a conflict of interest,  is going to be lost....

I wonder where you can point us to where the discussions took place as to the objections and concerns that you mentioned....and there been any discussions online regarding this issue that we can see.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;we’re considering restricted funding for specific projects, not just recommendations of particular charities&#8230;.When discussing these activities, we’ve lately been encountering a couple of different objections and concerns; &#8221;</p>
<p>Givewell funding projects is a very different kind of work than what you are known for and what  is currently described on your webpage.  It really is a different direction&#8230;</p>
<p>Givewell&#8217;s unique advantage in advising donors, that there is not the chance of, or even the appearance of, a conflict of interest,  is going to be lost&#8230;.</p>
<p>I wonder where you can point us to where the discussions took place as to the objections and concerns that you mentioned&#8230;.and there been any discussions online regarding this issue that we can see&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Brenton Mayer</title>
		<link>http://blog.givewell.org/2012/06/22/objections-and-concerns-about-our-new-direction/comment-page-1/#comment-296574</link>
		<dc:creator>Brenton Mayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 14:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tell you what, it happens again and again that you chaps make a judgement on something, and I think “well, they’ve made the wrong call there”, and then you explain your reasoning and I think “well, they&#039;ve made the the right call there”. 

After reading this post I’ve completely backflipped on my previous thoughts and I can now see why it’s necessary for you to go in this direction, and that it’s a good idea; particularly if you can maintain your previous activity with the present workforce. I’m with you. 

But to add a thought about this new direction Holden, your very first blog post read that the reason people would read this was that in your experience, you “know that no matter how pressed for time I am, I still read random crap online. Now I want to be your crap.” So that has worked great for me, and congrats on becoming my and many other people’s crap, but you’re right that it is ‘crap’ that people read online. It’s snappy crap, it’s humorous crap, and while it&#039;s always been more thought provoking than typical internet crap, for a long time this blog was snappy and humorous; it was full of short snippets of things that happen in charity today, with pretty interesting perspectives on them. That was tops for getting people interested, for making them feel like they know you, and ultimately for getting people to follow your work. But have a look at the length of any of the later blog posts, and it’s pretty clear that they’ve changed to being pretty solidly in depth, they take effort to process, and they certainly don’t fit into what I’d think of as typical, internet crap. I get the reasons that it’s gone this way, and people who have been reading this blog for years will get that too and will be happy to come along for the ride. I suppose I just wonder if I would have begun reading this regularly if the first thing I came across here felt more intellectually heavy than the neuro lecture I had just come out of.

Thanks for explaining your new direction, thanks for the longer posts that we get now, please keep it going, but I’m sure that you and your staff still have those interesting epiphanies which used to constitute blog posts - and I for one would love to hear them.

Cheers, Brenton.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell you what, it happens again and again that you chaps make a judgement on something, and I think “well, they’ve made the wrong call there”, and then you explain your reasoning and I think “well, they&#8217;ve made the the right call there”. </p>
<p>After reading this post I’ve completely backflipped on my previous thoughts and I can now see why it’s necessary for you to go in this direction, and that it’s a good idea; particularly if you can maintain your previous activity with the present workforce. I’m with you. </p>
<p>But to add a thought about this new direction Holden, your very first blog post read that the reason people would read this was that in your experience, you “know that no matter how pressed for time I am, I still read random crap online. Now I want to be your crap.” So that has worked great for me, and congrats on becoming my and many other people’s crap, but you’re right that it is ‘crap’ that people read online. It’s snappy crap, it’s humorous crap, and while it&#8217;s always been more thought provoking than typical internet crap, for a long time this blog was snappy and humorous; it was full of short snippets of things that happen in charity today, with pretty interesting perspectives on them. That was tops for getting people interested, for making them feel like they know you, and ultimately for getting people to follow your work. But have a look at the length of any of the later blog posts, and it’s pretty clear that they’ve changed to being pretty solidly in depth, they take effort to process, and they certainly don’t fit into what I’d think of as typical, internet crap. I get the reasons that it’s gone this way, and people who have been reading this blog for years will get that too and will be happy to come along for the ride. I suppose I just wonder if I would have begun reading this regularly if the first thing I came across here felt more intellectually heavy than the neuro lecture I had just come out of.</p>
<p>Thanks for explaining your new direction, thanks for the longer posts that we get now, please keep it going, but I’m sure that you and your staff still have those interesting epiphanies which used to constitute blog posts &#8211; and I for one would love to hear them.</p>
<p>Cheers, Brenton.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hunter</title>
		<link>http://blog.givewell.org/2012/06/22/objections-and-concerns-about-our-new-direction/comment-page-1/#comment-296458</link>
		<dc:creator>John Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 05:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well stated.  I think you should continue with your plans.  The whole notion of &quot;objectivity&quot; is very over-emphasised.  It is normally just the appearance of &quot;objectivity&quot; that is complained about.  The thing that makes you good is you take a principled stand.  I don&#039;t really know how objective you were before, and I don&#039;t really care.  You provided well reasoned cases based on your beliefs.

I understand the argument for you becoming more biased.  I am fine with that.

We would benefit from a great deal more study of charity outcomes.  I&#039;m not really all that concerned about the objectivity of those doing it.  Those that just make excuses for whatever they like won&#039;t be of much value.  Those that have a strong bias but put in good analysis and are not afraid to be open with outcomes (not just present those that support there cause) are great.

Keep up the good work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well stated.  I think you should continue with your plans.  The whole notion of &#8220;objectivity&#8221; is very over-emphasised.  It is normally just the appearance of &#8220;objectivity&#8221; that is complained about.  The thing that makes you good is you take a principled stand.  I don&#8217;t really know how objective you were before, and I don&#8217;t really care.  You provided well reasoned cases based on your beliefs.</p>
<p>I understand the argument for you becoming more biased.  I am fine with that.</p>
<p>We would benefit from a great deal more study of charity outcomes.  I&#8217;m not really all that concerned about the objectivity of those doing it.  Those that just make excuses for whatever they like won&#8217;t be of much value.  Those that have a strong bias but put in good analysis and are not afraid to be open with outcomes (not just present those that support there cause) are great.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work.</p>
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